Scripture "Alone" is not scriptural

[Dogknox]

There is found NO place in the scriptures that say: "All man needs is the scriptures, we do not need Church to teach us!"
Fact is the opposite is found:
"Listen to the Church" Matt 18
"The CHURCH is the Pillar and the foundation of truth"! 1 Tim 3
"The CHURCH is the Body of Jesus" Eph 5
"Jesus loves and died for the CHURCH"! Eph 5
"Jesus is ALWAYS with the CHURCH to the very end of the age"! "The Great Commission" Matt 28

Dogknox

[Draggy]

Exactly Dogmax. The Church is the Bride of Jesus, Jesus is the Groom. I'm a Church going Chrisitan so I understand what you are saying. How can you be a Christian and deny the Church?

[Dogknox]

Draggy Exactly Dogmax. The Church is the Bride of Jesus, Jesus is the Groom. I'm a Church going Chrisitan so I understand what you are saying. How can you be a Christian and deny the Church?

Draggy Good to meet you..
I think we could have great conversations..
Yes the Church is the Bride and the Groom is God!
The Church forms God' children by the washing of Baptism, the Groom sends the Gift of LIFE!
It takes two parents to form a child!

The bride adds Christians to the Body of Jesus by Baptism!
^{Acts 2:40}
With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.”
⁴¹ Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.

Draggy The First day of Pentecost Peter added about Three Thousand to Jesus' Holy Body by Baptism!

Adam was formed from "Earth & Spirit" he was formed Perfect!
Jesus is the second Adam.. His body is also formed from "Earth & Spirit" PERFECT!
The Bride takes the "Dust Of The Earth" and re-Forms it by Baptism! She washes away the corruption and then forms the "Earth" into the new form of Jesus!
The Groom sends the Holy Spirit! Thus..
Thus the Body of Jesus is also formed Perfect.. also with "Earth & Spirit!"

DraggyGod has only one son.. JUST One Son.. (1) If you are NOT "IN" The body of Jesus then you are NOT, then you CANNOT be God' Child! IF..
If you are NOT ADDED to the Body of Jesus, you remain "A Child Of Adam; Corrupted!"

Dogknox

[Draggy]

We probably can have some good conversations Dogknox. There's no doubt I'll accept graciously what you say but your not exactly preaching to the Choir on this site.
Prepare yourself.

[Dogknox]

[QUOTE=Draggy;105593]We probably can have some good conversations Dogknox. There's no doubt I'll accept graciously what you say but your not exactly preaching to the Choir on this site.
Prepare yourself Draggy
I Hope all is well...
I understand and I am well versed in scriptures!

I have Two, Two, Two parents: Not one!! 1) Mother Church 2) Father God!
It takes two parents to form children!
God' children are formed by the mother.. Logic says; Fathers do not have "Wombs" so they do not form children, NO FORMING; ALL Forming is done by MOTHER'S!
The Church, the Bride forms the CHILDREN!!
Reject your Church thus reject your MOTHER! It is just this simple!

The Bride; Re-FORMS with/by the holy waters of baptism!
Earth came "UP OUT" of the waters at creation, the waters were HOLY because; The "Holy Spirit" hovered over the waters at creation (Genesis 1:2).
All of creation came out of the HOLY waters, so all of creation was formed HOLY! Adam was formed HOLY because; The Earth he was formed from, was HOLY!
2 Peter 3
But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water.

Let it be said that I being Gay will be brought unto him and I will surly burn for my sins.

The holy waters of Baptism re-FORM the "Dust of the EARTH" the Holy Waters of Baptism wash away sins!
The holy waters of Baptism make Adams Children into God' Children!

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Acts 22:16[/URL]
And now what are you [B]waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away[B], calling on his name.
No father gains the title "FATHER" unless FIRST a mother gives birth!
No one can claim "God as Father" if they are MOTHER-LESS now can they!?
Even Jesus had a Mother!
No one can claim God as FATHER if they are not baptized!

Dogknox

[Dogknox]

We probably can have some good conversations Dogknox. There's no doubt I'll accept graciously what you say but your not exactly preaching to the Choir on this site.
Prepare yourself.

Draggy I Hope all is well....
Yes I understand... You do not sing very well...

I post scriptures..
Adam was formed from Holy Earth! The earth was made Holy because; the "Holy Spirit HOVERED over the waters at creation" (Genesis 1:2)
Adam was created holy because he was formed from holy Earth! All was created HOLY because all>> earth included came from the Holy Waters!

2 Peter 3:5
But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water.

The BRIDE does the forming.. Logic says: No fathers have WOMBS so only MOTHERS can form the children!
God' Children are formed by his BRIDE! God the father sends the GIFT!
Two Parents form CHILDREN!!
Even Jesus had two Parents!!

Acts 2:38
Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Draggy Do you see it?? Repent and be baptized..for the forgiveness of your sins.
Do you see it?? Be Baptized and God will send you the GIFT of the Holy Spirit... The GIFT of True LIFE!!

Dogknox

[Draggy]

I know you are new here so I'll give you a little background about me. I've been in Church since I was old enough to know where I was. I've been Baptised in as many ways as there are. I was sprinkled at 9years old, dunked in a Baptistery when I was in my 20s, dunked in a river when Billy Graham had a dunking at Montreat, NC and I have been anointed with oil.
I am in the Church Choir and I play Hand Bells. My husband is Minister of Music at our Church.
I am Saved by Grace, live a Christian life and I am a child of God. Jesus is my Best friend.
I would fight to the death for my faith in Jesus.

What I mean by "your not preaching to the Choir" is that there are those on this site who are non believers, as Choir members would be.

[Dogknox]

I know you are new here so I'll give you a little background about me. I've been in Church since I was old enough to know where I was. I've been Baptised in as many ways as there are. I was sprinkled at 9years old, dunked in a Baptistery when I was in my 20s, dunked in a river when Billy Graham had a dunking at Montreat, NC and I have been anointed with oil.
I am in the Church Choir and I play Hand Bells. My husband is Minister of Music at our Church.
I am Saved by Grace, live a Christian life and I am a child of God. Jesus is my Best friend.
I would fight to the death for my faith in Jesus.

What I mean by "your not preaching to the Choir" is that there are those on this site who are non believers, as Choir members would be.

Draggy Thank you for your nice post... I am Christian... Christians believe the scriptures the words of God! John 3:16 "All who believe the words of 'The WORD' have eternal life"!
"Man lives on EVERY WORD coming from the mouth of Jesus!"

I can assumed then you are well "Church-ed"! No "Church hopping/shopping" for you!

You say; You have been baptized many times... You do understand, you can only be born once?!!! "No one can be born twice" so Logic say; You can only be baptized once!
Formed by your mother into a; Child of Adam!
RE-FORMED by the Bride into a; Child of God!

Baptism makes Disciples!
Baptism removes SINS!
Baptism makes Jesus BROTHERS/SISTERS!

Jesus words given to his CHURCH with all of God' AUTHORITY!
The Great Commission:
Matthew 28.. “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
¹⁹ Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them...

Draggy do you see it?? "Baptism makes DISCIPLES"!!
"Disciples are made by Baptism!!"
Draggy "Baptism makes disciples of all nations!"

Disciples are>>> Jesus BROTHERS/Sisters!!!!...
Draggy THINK: If you are "SISTER" of Jesus then God would be your father! It is Just this simple!!

"Disciples are made by Baptism THUS Baptism makes Jesus' Brothers/Sisters!

Matthew 12:49
Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers.

Did you see it... "Disciples are the; BROTHERS of Jesus!
Disciples are IN the Family because: "Disciples are "IN" the Holy Body Of Jesus"!

"Baptism ADDS CHRISTIANS to the Body Of Jesus!"
The first day of Pentecost "Peter ADDED about Three Thousand (3000) to the BODY OF JESUS !

Acts 2:40With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.”
⁴¹ Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.

Draggy Did you see it??? Peter made about three Thousand "Brothers & Sisters" for Jesus!
Peter made about 3000 DISCIPLES for Jesus!!

Baptism saves because it ADDS you to God' Holy Family!
Not Baptized? Then NOT a Child of God! It is just this simple!!

Dogknox

[Draggy]

I wasn't Baptised so many times to be "born again" I was born again when I was baptised the 1st time. Baptism is not a born again idea for me. I just wanted to be Baptised the many ways. Why not be Baptised like Jesus was by John the Baptist? In the river. It was a very moving experience. I've been Baptised many times to acknowledge to God I am in with HIM. In all ways. I've been with him since I was Bapisted the 1st time and He in me. It's an affirmation of my faith.
And there are some Churches in the Christian faith that require Baptism in their Church when you join or move your membership.
Yes, I've pretty much gone to the same Church since I was very young.
And my children have all been Baptised.
We are a Chrisitan family.

[Dogknox]

Draggy I hope all is well..
You said..

Baptism is not a born again idea for me.

I reply: Scriptures tell you.. "Baptism makes God' CHILDREN!
Scriptures tell you. "Baptism makes Jesus' "Brothers & Sisters"!
Scriptures tell you.. "Jesus gave his AUTHORITY; ALL The Authority of God" to his CHURCH, so his Holy CHURCH could make DISCIPLES by baptism of all nations!!!
Scriptures tell you... "Baptism ADDS Christians to Jesus' BODY!"

Draggy; I must remind you.. "You can't be CHRISTIAN and still reject the scriptures, as you do!"
FACT: If you are NOT in the Body Of Jesus then you are NOT God' CHILD!
FACT: God has only one CHILD.. JUST ONE, not two, not ten!!! Ten would be NINE children to many children!
ONLY ONE.. You must be "IN Jesus" to be in God' FAMILY!
Draggy You MUST be "IN Jesus' BODY" to call God FATHER!!

Man LIVES on every word coming from the scriptures!

Draggy I know by what you said: You have been TAUGHT to reject the scriptures and then TAUGHT by men to accept; "MAN MADE TEACHINGS" teachings that are not found in the scriptures!
"SYMBOLIC BAPTISM" IS A LIE.. IT IS NOT FOUND IN THE SCRIPTURES!

LOOK even Jesus TAUGHT "Baptism is a re-BIRTH!"
Justin Martyr is CHRISTIAN!!!
Justin Martyr tells you that >> Jesus TAUGHT Baptism saves, in scriptures; John 3!!!
He said...
"As many as are persuaded and believe that what we [Christians] teach and say is true, and undertake to be able to live accordingly . . . are brought by us where there is water, and are regenerated in the same manner in which we were ourselves regenerated. For, in the name of God, the Father and Lord of the universe, and of our Savior Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit, they then receive the washing with water. For Christ also said, ‘Except you be born again, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven’ [John 3:3]" (First Apology 61 [A.D. 151]).

Draggy Right after Jesus TEACHES the truth "Baptism SAVES" in John 3:5 Jesus immediately goes out and BAPTIZES with water!!!

John 3:5
Jesus answered, I tell you the truth, no-one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.

THEN....
John 3:22
After this, Jesus and his disciples went out into the Judean countryside, where he spent some time with them, and baptized.
24 Now John also was baptizing at Aenon near Salim, because there was plenty of water, and people were coming and being baptized.


Draggy QUESTION WHY...
Why was Jesus his Disciples and JOHN Baptizing at Aenon near Salim???

... unless he is born of water and the Spirit.
Draggy Do you understand the meaning of the word "AND"??
Not "Spirit alone!

Dogknox