Room for thought.

[Draggy]

When someone tells me they are a Christian and I ask what Church do you attend. Most of the time I get "I don't like the Church" or "Why should I go to Church and the person sitting next to me has been drinking the night before" or maybe even "I don't like organized religion." None of these arguments are valid. In fact there is no reason a Christian should not go to Church if they are truly a Christian. Why say your IN CHRIST and deny his bride?

Christ is the Bridegroom of the Church, so doesn't it follow the Church is the Bride?

[Dogknox]

When someone tells me they are a Christian and I ask what Church do you attend. Most of the time I get "I don't like the Church" or "Why should I go to Church and the person sitting next to me has been drinking the night before" or maybe even "I don't like organized religion." None of these arguments are valid. In fact there is no reason a Christian should not go to Church if they are truly a Christian. Why say your IN CHRIST and deny his bride?

Christ is the Bridegroom of the Church, so doesn't it follow the Church is the Bride?

Draggy it seems you are the only one around here that has a mouth!!
I hope all is well...
You have a good question and make good points .. BUT>>>"What Church???"
They are NOT all the same... Joseph Smith teaches; "Satan is the brother of Jesus!"

One church teaches; "Man CAN lose salvation" and another TEACHES "Man CANNOT lose salvation" Both..
Both claim to be the only true church of god!
Both claim to believe the bible and ONLY the bible!
Clearly one is a LIE!!!
Clearly one of these churches has the hand of Satan in it's formation!! Both..
Both of these churches are in your; fellowship of believers!????

Dogknox

[Draggy]

I'm not a Mormon if that is what you are asking Dogmax. I am a Christian and I belong to a Protestant Church, that actually follows a lot of the Catholic teachings. We celebrate the 7 Seasons of the Church. There are 7 Seasons, 7 Colors of the Church. We, in my Church, celebrate each season. Not all Protestant Churches celebrate the 7 Seasons but that is their way. And they are OK by me. What Church I attend is up to me and what I need from the Church and we are all different. Some people need things I don't need and my needs are not their needs.
To say one Christian Church is of the devil is sacrilege.
It's not my place to question Christians who are going to Church, nor to question the Church they attend. That's a personal decision and choice.

[Dogknox]

I'm not a Mormon if that is what you are asking Dogmax. I am a Christian and I belong to a Protestant Church, that actually follows a lot of the Catholic teachings. We celebrate the 7 Seasons of the Church. There are 7 Seasons, 7 Colors of the Church. We, in my Church, celebrate each season. Not all Protestant Churches celebrate the 7 Seasons but that is their way. And they are OK by me. What Church I attend is up to me and what I need from the Church and we are all different. Some people need things I don't need and my needs are not their needs.
To say one Christian Church is of the devil is sacrilege.
It's not my place to question Christians who are going to Church, nor to question the Church they attend. That's a personal decision and choice.

Draggy Thank you for your reply.. Up front and honest!
I must ask... "You believe Mormon are Christian?"
Facts are facts "Christians believe the bible!!!"

Jesus is most definitely NOT the brother of Satan!

You said..

To say one Christian Church is of the devil is sacrilege.

Draggy One church teaches; "Man CAN lose salvation" and another TEACHES "Man CANNOT lose salvation"!!
These churches are Polar Opposites!!! One has to be WRONG!!!!
Logic alone tells you.. "ONE of the Two churches has TEACHINGS that are NOT scriptural!!!" Both cannot be right!!!!

THINK: The Holy Spirit does NOT lead into error! If the Holy Spirit was to err, then the Holy Spirit would not be perfect, he would not be God!
Draggy God CANNOT ERR!!!
You are telling me; "Yes God is NOT perfect, yes God can lead them into error!!" ?????
You are telling me; "Yes; Both are Christian!!"??
You are telling me; "Yes; God is leading the Church Joseph Smith started, into all truth!???"

1 Timothy 3:15
if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

Draggy Christians believe the words of GOD! Christians do NOT believe man made TEACHING that is against the words of God!
If they believe "God is the Brother to Satan then they are NOT Christian!! It is just this simple!!
The CHURCH is the Foundation of TRUTH>> TRUTH!!

Dogknox

[Split Personality]

Draggy Thank you for your reply.. Up front and honest!
I must ask... "You believe Mormon are Christian?"
Facts are facts "Christians believe the bible!!!"

Jesus is most definitely NOT the brother of Satan!

You said..
Draggy One church teaches; "Man CAN lose salvation" and another TEACHES "Man CANNOT lose salvation"!!
These churches are Polar Opposites!!! One has to be WRONG!!!!
Logic alone tells you.. "ONE of the Two churches has TEACHINGS that are NOT scriptural!!!" Both cannot be right!!!!

THINK: The Holy Spirit does NOT lead into error! If the Holy Spirit was to err, then the Holy Spirit would not be perfect, he would not be God!
Draggy God CANNOT ERR!!!
You are telling me; "Yes God is NOT perfect, yes God can lead them into error!!" ?????
You are telling me; "Yes; Both are Christian!!"??
You are telling me; "Yes; God is leading the Church Joseph Smith started, into all truth!???"

1 Timothy 3:15
if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

Draggy Christians believe the words of GOD! Christians do NOT believe man made TEACHING that is against the words of God!
If they believe "God is the Brother to Satan then they are NOT Christian!! It is just this simple!!
The CHURCH is the Foundation of TRUTH>> TRUTH!!

Dogknox

DOG- What is your purpose for teaching Draggy. Are you trying to convey her over to your belief? You are barking up the wrong tree. Im not a believer in Church, religion and I truly question the existance of God. In your perfect God world, you say he cannot commit errors, yet the world is full of them. How do you explain that? Also, if God does exist and so does Satan, why does he allow Satan to exist? Also if Satan is just a fallen angel who God kicked out of Heaven, is this not an error by God, Did God not create Angels also? Is Satan not just a creation of God, hence God created evil? Your thoughts please. Oh I not a reader of any bible or specific religion, I go by what I have learned, witnessed, researched, blah blah blah.

[Dogknox]

DOG- What is your purpose for teaching Draggy. Are you trying to convey her over to your belief? You are barking up the wrong tree. Im not a believer in Church, religion and I truly question the existance of God. In your perfect God world, you say he cannot commit errors, yet the world is full of them. How do you explain that? Also, if God does exist and so does Satan, why does he allow Satan to exist? Also if Satan is just a fallen angel who God kicked out of Heaven, is this not an error by God, Did God not create Angels also? Is Satan not just a creation of God, hence God created evil? Your thoughts please. Oh I not a reader of any bible or specific religion, I go by what I have learned, witnessed, researched, blah blah blah.

Split Personality It is ;pleasure;to meet you...You ask good questions.... Questions force us to look and learn!! Why..Why am I TEACHING;Draggy?
1) Ignorance is NOT bliss.. hopefully she will search for truth and not be content to believe what she has been TAUGHT by men, teachings not found in the scriptures!
Truth sets free!!
Split Personality I post scriptures, an argument with me is an argument with scriptures!

2)

You reject Church religion and I truly question the existance of God.

I reply: Man for all time has pursued God, all men have ALWAYS had religion and faith in; A GOD!! The North American Indian believed in a Great white Spirit (For example)
The Inca' the Aztec..Hindu.. The Egyptians; built the pyramids; So it looks like to me Split Personality you are the minority; Billions of people have come forth throughout the history of man believing in Religion and God.. then along comes Split Personality with the truth that there is NO God!! ha-ha!!
Split Personality the facts alone are against you!! Never mind the Scriptures the Prophesy!!
Split Personality against 95 % of the world!!

3)

In your perfect God world, you say he cannot commit errors, yet the world is full of them. How do you explain that?

I reply simply...
The errors are NOT from God but from man!
Adam was the first to sin and corruption entered creation.... we live in a corrupted world!
I; (we) do not belong in a corrupted world.. Christians are passing through on the way to the promised land Heaven!
Sin and Corruption is all around... Our job is to reject it for truth!

4)

why does he allow Satan to exist?

It is called free will: "God is LOVE" man is made in the IMAGE of God! All men are capable of love because man is made in the image of LOVE!

FACT: Love is a free will GIVING, of self from the HEART!

Love cannot be forced or it would not be love!!!
THINK: Split Personality is this love...
"If you promise to love me I will PAY YOU Eighteen Dollars!"
OR this..
Split Personality If....
"IF you refuse to LOVE ME I will punch you in the nose"!!!

God could, give the world a pill that makes all men love but then, the LOVE each man had would not be TRUE LOVE!!!
Love is a free choice from the heart!
1 John 4:16 And so we know and rely on the the love God has for us. God is love. Whoever lives in God,God in them.

Split Personality 5) God created Angels... NOT Evil!
The Angels made a CHOICE to Love God or NOT!!
Satan decided NOT to love God; so he was removed because only LOVE is in heaven!
Adam was removed because he did not LOVE God!
Only LOVE is in heaven!
1 John 5:3
In fact, thisis love for God: to keep his commands. And his commands are not burdensome,

The Angels/ Satan have been Judged!
Satan was removed from heaven he cannot love he is 100% evil!
Angels cannot hate.. They are 100% LOVE!

Split Personality You say

I go by what I have learned, witnessed, researched,

GOOD don't quit... Keep doing what you are doing!!!

Dogknox

[Draggy]

Dogmax it all depends on what Church you decide is best for you and your feelings. The teachings of the Church you attend. There's not one Christian Church we are many and sometimes even at odds about our beliefs. Do I believe in the Church that handles snakes? Absolutely not, but that doesn't make them any less Christain. Nor does the Church that believes you won't go to Heaven if you don't shout, yell and fall to the ground taken by the Holy Ghost ( Holy Rollers) They are Christian. All Christian Churches are the same... Christian, meaning in Christ.
Catholics believe in Jesus as the Son of God and they are Christian and the 1st Chrisitan Church.

My question is if God created all man kind, who created evil? Was Hitler not a child of God, made in His image? WE are all God's children whether we accept Him or not.

Not to worry Split he's not going to convert me. I'm safe and secure in my faith.

[Split Personality]

Dogmax it all depends on what Church you decide is best for you and your feelings. The teachings of the Church you attend. There's not one Christian Church we are many and sometimes even at odds about our beliefs. Do I believe in the Church that handles snakes? Absolutely not, but that doesn't make them any less Christain. Nor does the Church that believes you won't go to Heaven if you don't shout, yell and fall to the ground taken by the Holy Ghost ( Holy Rollers) They are Christian. All Christian Churches are the same... Christian, meaning in Christ.
Catholics believe in Jesus as the Son of God and they are Christian and the 1st Chrisitan Church.

My question is if God created all man kind, who created evil? Was Hitler not a child of God, made in His image? WE are all God's children whether we accept Him or not.

Not to worry Split he's not going to convert me. I'm safe and secure in my faith.

hahaha he truly makes me laugh. I know he won't convert you or I for that matter. Not when all he says is non-sense. I have much more respect for you and your views then I do for him.

[Dogknox]

Dogmax it all depends on what Church you decide is best for you and your feelings. The teachings of the Church you attend. There's not one Christian Church we are many and sometimes even at odds about our beliefs. Do I believe in the Church that handles snakes? Absolutely not, but that doesn't make them any less Christain. Nor does the Church that believes you won't go to Heaven if you don't shout, yell and fall to the ground taken by the Holy Ghost ( Holy Rollers) They are Christian. All Christian Churches are the same... Christian, meaning in Christ.
Catholics believe in Jesus as the Son of God and they are Christian and the 1st Chrisitan Church.

My question is if God created all man kind, who created evil? Was Hitler not a child of God, made in His image? WE are all God's children whether we accept Him or not.

Not to worry Split he's not going to convert me. I'm safe and secure in my faith.

Hello Draggy it is always a pleasure..
You ask good questions..
LOOK..
Origen is CHRISTIAN..He said..
"It is not possible to receive forgiveness of sins without baptism" (Exhortation to the Martyrs 30 [A.D. 235]).

Draggy If you do NOT believe the same as Christians believe then you are NOT Christian!
Christians believe the scriptures.... Your idea of Christian is; "All peoples who believe in a higher being, all who believe there is a God are Christian!! This is NOT true..
The North American Indian believe in a "Great White Spirit" they are NOT Christian, they are Pagan!
Pagan: All who are NOT in the body of God!

Christians believe the scriptures they do NOT believe the TEACHINGS of men!
Split Personality is NOT Christian!

Hermas is CHRISTIAN!!
"‘I have heard, sir,’ said I [to the Shepherd], ‘from some teacher, that there is no other repentance except that which took place when we went down into the water and obtained the remission of our former sins.’ He said to me, ‘You have heard rightly, for so it is’" (The Shepherd 4:3:1–2 [A.D. 80]).
NOTICE Origen teaches the same as Hermas!!!

Augustine is CHRISTIAN because; He believes what CHRISTIANS have ALWAYS believed!
Augustine said..
"There are three ways in which sins are forgiven: in baptism, in prayer, and in the greater humility of penance; yet God does not forgive sins except to the baptized" (Sermons to Catechumens on the Creed 7:15 [A.D. 395]).

Draggy you said..

If you reject Baptism saves, then you do NOT believe what CHRISTIANS believe!
My question is if God created all man kind, who created evil? Was Hitler not a child of God, made in His image? WE are all God's children whether we accept Him or not.

I reply: WRONG!!!
All men are born; "Children of ADAM!!!"
All men are made in the IMAGE of God but not all men LOVE! Hitler did not love... He rejected God!

Baptism ADDS people to the Body Of God!
The Baptized are the CHILDREN of God!
Scriptures (below) you must REJECT, to believe what you believe.
^{Acts 2:40}
With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.”
⁴¹ Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.

Draggy If you are NOT added to the Body Of Jesus >> God' ONLY SON<< then you are NOT, then you CANNOT be God' Child!

The CHRISTIANS >> ADDED 3000 to the Church, the Body of Jesus the very first day of Pentecost!

Not to worry Split he's not going to convert me. I'm safe and secure in my faith.

Draggy You will not convert .. to the truth, until you believe the scriptures! As for now you place your salvation in teaching not found in the scriptures!
Jesus warns you.. "You REJECT Jesus by not accepting the scriptures!"

^{John 12:48} There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day.

When you stand in front of Jesus you can't say: "I did not know I was to be Baptized to be saved!"
Draggy The scriptures you reject are the words of Jesus!

You have FAITH in man made TEACHING, not in the scriptures!
CHRISTIANS believe the scriptures!

Dogknox

[Split Personality]

Split Personality It is ;pleasure;to meet you...You ask good questions.... Questions force us to look and learn!! Why..Why am I TEACHING;Draggy?
1) Ignorance is NOT bliss.. hopefully she will search for truth and not be content to believe what she has been TAUGHT by men, teachings not found in the scriptures!
Truth sets free!!
Split Personality I post scriptures, an argument with me is an argument with scriptures!

(Then I shall argue with scripture) (The ignorant one is you, she is far from it)

2)
I reply: Man for all time has pursued God, all men have ALWAYS had religion and faith in; A GOD!! The North American Indian believed in a Great white Spirit (For example)
The Inca' the Aztec..Hindu.. The Egyptians; built the pyramids; So it looks like to me Split Personality you are the minority; Billions of people have come forth throughout the history of man believing in Religion and God.. then along comes Split Personality with the truth that there is NO God!! ha-ha!!
Split Personality the facts alone are against you!! Never mind the Scriptures the Prophesy!!
Split Personality against 95 % of the world!!

When did I say I know the truth. The only one speaking of facts and truth is you. I never said there is no God, I said I question the existance of god.
3)
I reply simply...
The errors are NOT from God but from man! (Man is made from God therefore mans errors are gods errors, god made an imperfect being)
Adam was the first to sin and corruption entered creation.... we live in a corrupted world!
I; (we) do not belong in a corrupted world.. Christians are passing through on the way to the promised land Heaven!
Sin and Corruption is all around... Our job is to reject it for truth! (and exactly what is the truth, what makes your thruth THE THRUTH)

4)
It is called free will: "God is LOVE" man is made in the IMAGE of God! All men are capable of love because man is made in the image of LOVE! (Oh I beg to differ that God is Love, God, according to text is a murderer who bring pain and torture to those who do not obey and praise him. If God is guiding us then there is no free will, if there is free will, then why are we judged by him for doing what we want?)

FACT: Love is a free will GIVING, of self from the HEART!

Love cannot be forced or it would not be love!!!
THINK: Split Personality is this love...
"If you promise to love me I will PAY YOU Eighteen Dollars!"
OR this..
Split Personality If....
"IF you refuse to LOVE ME I will punch you in the nose"!!! ( You are making no sense here)

God could, give the world a pill that makes all men love but then, the LOVE each man had would not be TRUE LOVE!!!
Love is a free choice from the heart! (If god created us to love each other there should be no reason for a pill)
1 John 4:16 And so we know and rely on the the love God has for us. God is love. Whoever lives in God,God in them. (So those who don't know about god are dammned? is that what you are saying or this scripture is saying?) What if there is no way for them to know about God, how is that their fault?

Split Personality 5) God created Angels... NOT Evil! (No If god created angels then he created everything about them, including their evil)
The Angels made a CHOICE to Love God or NOT!!
Satan decided NOT to love God; so he was removed because only LOVE is in heaven! (So its not really a choice, you have choice A, love me and live in heaven or Choice B, Dont love me and go to hell, is that really a choice?)
Adam was removed because he did not LOVE God! (How did he not love god?)
Only LOVE is in heaven!
1 John 5:3
In fact, thisis love for God: to keep his commands. And his commands are not burdensome,

The Angels/ Satan have been Judged!
Satan was removed from heaven he cannot love he is 100% evil!
Angels cannot hate.. They are 100% LOVE!

Split Personality You say
GOOD don't quit... Keep doing what you are doing!!!

Dogknox

You say God is love but even in your own words or your scriptures it shows that god is not love. If god was all love he would love all his creations even with their faults. What you show is a god who only loves perfection and those who worship him. Anything with a fault to them he abolishes them to hell. I doubt you are a perfect being Dogknox or have always been a perfect being. By your gods standards, no one will qualify to get into heaven.